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TCP-Group Digest            Sat,  3 Sep 94       Volume 94 : Issue  192

Today's Topics:
                           IP encapsulation
                        NOS as router (3 msgs)
             Putting pk232 in KISS - here's how. (4 msgs)
                      TCP-Group Digest V94 #189
                    Thanks (Was: IP encapsulation)

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 11:40:31 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Kyle Rhorer)
Subject: IP encapsulation
To: [e-mail]

Pardon my ignorance, but why do folks want to encapsulate IP in IP?  It
seems to me like that just adds overhead without adding functionality.  I'm
obviously missing something here.



--
"It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice."

Kyle Rhorer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 10:28:52 -0400
From: [e-mail] (D. Crompton)
Subject: NOS as router
To: [e-mail]

I have to take russ' side on this one. Or at least lean towards
his side. NOS has served as a router here admirably. It runs 24
hours a day, 7 days a week and has been for over a year. It is
just a router and a re-mailer, allowing internet to amprnet mail.
It allows full routing from ampr to internet. It passes an average
2 million characters/day which is not staggering by any means but
considering it goes to 1220/2400 baud endusers that is fairly
substantial.

It also servers as a router for for other machines on the ethernet.
In the last 24 hours over 20k packets were passed and 4 million
characters onto the amprnet side.

It runs like a top - knock wood!

System -

80386-16 mhz.
3c509
slip (9600 baud) to ampr gateway
jn108dfb

Doug

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 10:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Rosenauer)
Subject: NOS as router
To: [e-mail]

According to D. Crompton:
>
>
> I have to take russ' side on this one. Or at least lean towards
> his side. NOS has served as a router here admirably. It runs 24
> hours a day, 7 days a week and has been for over a year. It is
> just a router and a re-mailer, allowing internet to amprnet mail.
> It allows full routing from ampr to internet. It passes an average
> 2 million characters/day which is not staggering by any means but
> considering it goes to 1220/2400 baud endusers that is fairly
> substantial.

I guess it's my time to get into the fray.  I find that NOS (I have
a fair bit of experience with PA0GRI 1229M and more recently JNOS)
doesn't fair all that well on 56K.  I has tested NOS as a router
on a 56K link between two ethernets.  Xmaze crashes NOS in about 2 to 3
mazes.  The PC running NOS is totally wedged, you have to reset the PC
to get it running again.  In my tests I had a pair of Suns, one on
each side of the 56K link.  I also found that if you extend the number
of buffers it will help a fair bit but I have crashed it.  TCP
connections don't seem to suffer the same fate.  They will hold up
for a long time.  (at least a couple of days)

I haven't tried NFS traffic yet but I have transferred a lot of large files
using FTP which uses a pair of TCP connections.  At 56K transferring
several megabyte files are not unreasonable and I have yet to crash
NOS or Linux (with the PI driver) using FTP.

--
Dennis Rosenauer VE7BPE                  [e-mail]
MPR Teltech Ltd.
Wireless Transmission Products           "For every vision there is an
Burnaby, B. C.                            equal and opposite revision"

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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 1994 15:24:31 -0400
From: "Louis A. Mamakos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: NOS as router
To: [e-mail] (Dennis Rosenauer)

> I guess it's my time to get into the fray.  I find that NOS (I have
> a fair bit of experience with PA0GRI 1229M and more recently JNOS)
> doesn't fair all that well on 56K.  I has tested NOS as a router
> on a 56K link between two ethernets.

How about just plain Phil Karn KA9Q NOS, without all of the other
cruft?

> Xmaze crashes NOS in about 2 to 3
> mazes.  The PC running NOS is totally wedged, you have to reset the PC
> to get it running again.  In my tests I had a pair of Suns, one on
> each side of the 56K link.  I also found that if you extend the number
> of buffers it will help a fair bit but I have crashed it.  TCP
> connections don't seem to suffer the same fate.  They will hold up
> for a long time.  (at least a couple of days)

You mean that TCP connections other than Xmaze on port 6000 last a
long time?  This sounds like a many-small-packets stress related problem
rather than bulk data transfer problem, but that's just a guess.

> I haven't tried NFS traffic yet but I have transferred a lot of large files
> using FTP which uses a pair of TCP connections.  At 56K transferring
> several megabyte files are not unreasonable and I have yet to crash
> NOS or Linux (with the PI driver) using FTP.

Louis A. Mamakos, WA3YMH                      [e-mail]
UUNET Technologies, Inc.                      uunet!louie
3110 Fairview Park Drive., Suite 570          Voice: [phone]
Falls Church, Va 22042                        Fax:   [phone]

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 14:35:57 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Charles Okstein)
Subject: Putting pk232 in KISS - here's how.
To: [e-mail]

I was having getting my pk232 into kiss from autoexec.nos.  Thanks for
everyone's suggestion.  I solved the problem by adding '\r' to the
ends of the command lines.

But the REAL fix was to send the pk232 a '*'
comm ax3 "*"
before any other commands.

Thanks for your help.

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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 1994 15:26:28 -0700
From: uswnvg![e-mail] (Terry Conboy)
Subject: Putting pk232 in KISS - here's how.
To: uunet!ucsd.edu![e-mail]

At 02:35 PM 9/2/94 EDT, Charles Okstein wrote:
>I was having getting my pk232 into kiss from autoexec.nos.  Thanks for
>everyone's suggestion.  I solved the problem by adding '\r' to the
>ends of the command lines.
>
>But the REAL fix was to send the pk232 a '*'
>comm ax3 "*"
>before any other commands.
>
>Thanks for your help.

Can you tell us why the "*" is needed?

73, Terry
--
Terry Conboy  N6RY  [e-mail]  vm:206-450-8388  fax:[phone]
Speaks for neither U S WEST NewVector Group nor AirTouch Communications



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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 21:24:39 +0100
From: "Brian A. Lantz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Putting pk232 in KISS - here's how.
To: Terry Conboy <uswnvg![e-mail]>

On Fri, 2 Sep 1994, Terry Conboy wrote:

> At 02:35 PM 9/2/94 EDT, Charles Okstein wrote:
> >But the REAL fix was to send the pk232 a '*'
> >comm ax3 "*"
> >before any other commands.
> >
> >Thanks for your help.
>
> Can you tell us why the "*" is needed?
>

AEA's "autobaud"ing code. Needs to "see" an '*', and decode it as such,
to determine the baud rate being used.


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Date: Thu, 01 Sep 94 21:02:35 PST
From: "schoon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Putting pk232 in KISS - here's how.
To: uswnvg![e-mail] (Terry Conboy),

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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 1994 15:26:28 -0700
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From: uswnvg![e-mail] (Terry Conboy)
Subject: Re: Putting pk232 in KISS - here's how.
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Terry,
          The single asteric forces the 232 to sync with the comm
          port. It's the autobaud function.


          Mark

          schoonover


At 02:35 PM 9/2/94 EDT, Charles Okstein wrote:
>I was having getting my pk232 into kiss from autoexec.nos.  Thanks for
>everyone's suggestion.  I solved the problem by adding '\r' to the
>ends of the command lines.
>
>But the REAL fix was to send the pk232 a '*'
>comm ax3 "*"
>before any other commands.
>
>Thanks for your help.

Can you tell us why the "*" is needed?

73, Terry
--
Terry Conboy  N6RY  [e-mail]  vm:206-450-8388  fax:[phone]
Speaks for neither U S WEST NewVector Group nor AirTouch Communications

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Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 23:32:08 -0800 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: TCP-Group Digest V94 #189
To: [e-mail] (Phil Karn)

>
> >You've got to be kidding. I need to run KA9Q because it has an 'encap'
> >interface (tunneling IP over IP) for gateways, and I can easily hang a
> >KA9Q router.  For example, a wayward RPC program can go nuts sending
> >out udp packets to portmap on a machine on the other end, instant
> >sieze up of the NOS router. Or (so I'm told) run xmaze through a KA9Q
> >box that's routing to a 56kbps tcp/ip packet network, one or two mazes
> >get drawn and the NOS box dies. Maybe NOS just doesn't like UDP.
>
> This doesn't make any sense, at least not if NOS is just routing the
> UDP packets. A router doesn't even look beyond the IP headers of the
> packets it routes.

NOS is only being used as a router. (OK, maybe it's not a UDP thing.
Come to think of it, NOS has crashed when I've done ftp's *through*
the NOS router to other machines)

> My NOS router at home stays up for months at a time, despite heavy
> daily use (from my BSDI box) for just about every protocol in the
> suite - Telnet, FTP, rlogin, X, NFS, DNS, NNTP, SMTP, you name it.

run xmaze and one/both of the NOS routers crashes.
I believe the setup (it's not mine, but he's using the same basic gear) was:

Sun ======== NOS ---------- NOS ======== Sun (or whatever)

=== ethernet
--- 56kbps packet

My own setup (I'm more familiar with it) is:

Linux (ancient) =========== Sun ============ etc.
                   +NOS+++++++++++++NOS+
                                     ---------- Linux (new) =========== etc.
=== ethernet
+++ IP encapsulation (the Sun does the real routing)
--- 56kbps packet

it sure aint the Linux boxes that are crashing.

>
> Maybe the problem is that people are trying to add too much
> application cruft to NOS instead of using it as the simple low-end
> router it was designed to be.

I would be the first to agree. We're not using it for any services.  I
didn't mean to bitch or sound ungrateful, but Russel Nelson appeared
to be claiming NOS was a panacea. I've just never seen NOS stand up to
"real" use as a router.

An example from the distant past:

I wanted to route TCP/IP from an ethernet to an arcnet network.
I tried NOS. It would stop routing after a day or two. It would
crash depending on what version of NCSA people used on the arcnet
PCs to ftp from the Suns. So I installed PCRoute, and it's run for
years, only rebooting due to the power failures on campus.



>
> Phil
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 16:53:15 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Kyle Rhorer)
Subject: Thanks (Was: IP encapsulation)
To: [e-mail]

Thanks to Alan Cox, Brandon Allerby, and a fellow named Jack
([e-mail]) for responding to my question about IP-IP
encapsulation.  My theory was right: I was overlooking the obvious.

--
"It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice."

Kyle Rhorer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [e-mail]

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